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    Quote Originally Posted by Momin View Post
    Didn't know "Oklahoma Sky" was a wedding present to Miranda. That's a really touching gesture!

    While we're on the Miranda and Steve song, I came across this song while listening to the duet. This is Miranda covering "Hillbilly Highway" by Steve Earle. I went back and listened to the original track as well but still found Miranda's version better, especially her elongated "Hiiiiiiiiiiillbilly Highway". Reminds me of Carrie's "ooooooooooooooooh" in "Last Name" towards the very end. I always love when artists do that. Seems very country.
    I agree about the elongated vowels - by coincidence, I also mentioned a similar point when I was discussing vocal style in relation to Carrie and Emmylou in the Rolling Stone thread today.

    That video is from Season 31 of Austin City Limits (the Texas State Capitol in the backdrop is the long-running show's trademark). It was screened in 2006, when Miranda was about 22. She and Scotty are performing there with a band line up that is not the same as the one she assembled later and has now worked with for a number of years.

    I love Miranda's present album, and am fascinated with her current approach, however it works out - but there's no denying that those early days had an energy and musical style that touches a real chord for me. Pure nostalgia - but great stuff!
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    Really glad to see Tin Man move up the chart a little from 40 to 36! It's starting to get more airplay. I think they might promote this more and more now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momin View Post
    Really glad to see Tin Man move up the chart a little from 40 to 36! It's starting to get more airplay. I think they might promote this more and more now.
    Glad that it is moving up, but I just don't see them promoting it, she doesn't do that well on the radio. The only way for this album to not be a failure on the radio, is to release for radio friendly songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momin View Post
    Really glad to see Tin Man move up the chart a little from 40 to 36! It's starting to get more airplay. I think they might promote this more and more now.
    Good. Tin Man is such impeccable song. I hope this song goes steady and does well. It deserves to be heard and to have more recognition.

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    Poor Carrie is hard pressed to even get her name mentioned in a RS magazine article that is entirely about women. But they sure to like to focus on Miranda..........hmph.......
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    Well, even in the context of the fan resentment that is often a feature of the Board, I have to say that that comment seems rather misplaced. The article is making the point that there is currently a significant disparity between radio airtime, and what is happening on the wider Country Music scene. A number of artists on the Progressive wing (and it mentions Lambert, Stapleton, Price and Morris) have been racking up significant sales, and attention from Country fans in streaming channels, as well as critical praise for their creative work - but have received notably less radio attention, with their releases often stalling on the airtime charts. This doesn't apply at all to "poor Carrie" (as you call her), as her radio presence is second to none, and fully consistent with her success in other areas - hence she would not be a valid example for the point Jon Freeman's article is trying to explore.

    In fact, Freeman focuses on three main aspects of the current situation - all of them, in my view, important - and, I would say, amounting to a serious indictment of the service Mainstream radio is currently providing for the genre - even if none of them may seem to specifically affect Carrie herself.

    1. The disparity between airtime and the attention paid to current work on the wider music scene (mentioned above). One point that I hadn't particularly been aware of is that, to a degree (but not as severely as in the case of the other artists discussed), radio reception has been relatively limited for Maren Morris. This seems surprising - both because of the attention she has received in the wider media, and because - at least to my ears - she seems the most General Music influenced artist in that group (and, for example, significantly less concerned than Carrie usually has been, to include specifically Country references in most of her break-out album). On the face of it, you might expect Morris to be more of an exception for Mainstream programmers - but it seems that she, too, has had releases that could be said to have stalled (relatively speaking) on radio.

    2. The unchallenging, predictable, musically and lyrically generic character of many of the current male offerings that gain high positions on the airtime charts. Here the article is particularly scathing - and (rather than Carrie fans) it is probably the fans of the named male chart toppers who might have most reason to be resentful about the article.

    3. The striking imbalance between male and female airtime - often, of course, discussed recently, but, according to the article, still getting worse. Here, again, one has to say, Carrie is a rare exception (the article suggests that Kelsea Ballerini is the only other beneficiary that radio seems prepared to alternate in top two chart position.) But the favour shown to just two women (however individually deserving) comes close to being tokenism - and does virtually nothing for other women, who are currently producing strong work in a variety of styles across the spectrum.

    As an additional side issue, Freeman refers to the controversy over Bobby Bones (which I briefly mentioned a few days ago, in relation to Aubrie Sellers.) Bones has launched a "Female Friday" feature, in which he will encourage downloads and fan responses for female artists - but the effort, albeit probably well-intentioned, proved controversial, with some fans of female artists seeing it as patronizing, and further tokenism, that appeared wiling to let the "male Saturday through male Thursday" culture remain. Margo Price was one artist who criticized his approach on Twitter. (Unfortunately, Bones' rather abrasive and confrontational posting style - which resorted to random insults - tended to antagonize the female music fan bases he was apparently hoping to champion, with some Ran Fans, for example, comparing his Twitter style to that of a certain politician!)

    Taken as a whole, Freeman's analysis in that article, in a major music journal, is a significant contribution to the debate. It's one of several addressing the broad problem - this is another, for example, by a young Scottish writer posted recently:

    https://highwayqueens.com/2017/07/16...xism-in-music/

    Whether many would agree with Jon Freeman's conclusion:
    "Radio hits used to be the way to [rally an audience]. But the recent work – and success – of Lambert, Morris and Price might be a sign that they needn't bother with the medium at all."
    possibly depends on whether we are thinking primarily of Mainstream artists (Music Row is still very - though even there, decreasingly- radio hit focused), or of more innovative, Roots focused artists. As one young Country fan I saw posting put it "It's radio that's driving us to Pandora and Spotify" - and that can increasingly be a problem for the labels still hoping to rely on radio to push the album sales of their artists.

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    I do agree with the article.

    I just also see the disparity between Miranda and Carrie in RS magazine........ I just found some irony there as a carrie fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pklongbeach View Post
    I do agree with the article.

    I just also see the disparity between Miranda and Carrie in RS magazine........ I just found some irony there as a carrie fan.
    Yes, I think you can distinguish between this particular article, and RS's general coverage.

    That article was a critique of the current system - and as Carrie is a major beneficiary (in effect the main female beneficiary) of the system, she wouldn't really be relevant to the argument the article is making.

    In general, it probably is true that a magazine like Rolling Stone is unlikely to concentrate on heavy coverage of her career. I think this is partly due to the magazine's musical leanings, and partly to the way Carrie herself has pitched her career. I see RS (like several other specialist music magazines) as aiming its coverage (in most genres) more to what it sees as the deep genre, cutting edge, or alternative wings of the music spectrum. Where it does cover high profile mega-acts (mainly from the Rock wing) it tends to concentrate on arena blockbuster acts, of an "album oriented" type - rather than on the general popular entertainment world of shorter period radio smash hits. Carrie is more likely to get major, and regular coverage in magazines more focused on the general entertainment scene.

    As far as Carrie's own apparent choice is concerned, I'd refer back to a post Kizmet made a few days ago (in response to my suggestion that she might try to position her later albums more in line with critical preference than with radio hits). Kizmet said that, based on comments Carrie herself has made to the Fan Club, she would doubt this. Being out of the country, and not really a fan club follower, I would tend to miss this - but, on reflection, I think Kizmet may well be right. (I probably have a dreamy vision of Carrie blossoming into a successor of Emmylou or Patty Loveless, as her career matures - but that's probably wishful thinking, as we are probably all a bit prone to cast our favourite artists in our own preferred light!) But Kizmet says that Carrie is likely to prefer high energy "performance" songs, with appropriate production values, which she can sing as a "role playing" character, at one step removed from full immersion in the lyrics (faith songs being the main exception). If so, that is likely to appeal to many fans (and probably to radio), rather more than it might appeal to RS writers.

    I'd also say that the dichotomy of emphasis in magazine styles and coverage is probably stronger in the US than it would be in the UK. Of our two main genre magazines, Country Music People pitches its coverage more at what it calls "new fans", whereas Maverick is definitely more "deep genre", with numerous reviews of acts who are only likely to sell in the low ten thousands. Yet both magazines, I feel, would be prepared to cover both Carrie and Miranda. The divisions in the genre do exist, but are generally less entrenched than they have become in the US

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    "Tin Man" has been moving up the charts and I'm glad to see that.

    Listening to The Weight of These Wings has been very inspiring (I'm a poet and writer myself). I often listen to it when I need to re-energize my creative juices and also notice more intricacies and layers with every new revisiting of her songs. I've also been inspired to go back to her old songs to have a more wholesome Miranda experience and delve into more of her artistry.

    One of her songs from Kerosene that I've really liked has been "What About Georgia?". It's perhaps one of her more commercially appealing songs on the record and might have been included as part of those token songs for possible radio play. Regardless of that, I think there's still a considerable country element to it with a really nice hook.

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    ^ "What About Georgia?" shows that Progressive "Roots Rock" musical feel that's been an ongoing thread in her work - it shows that, although she draws on tradition, she's certainly not a conventional traditionalist in the Nashville sense. That song is a complex character study - combining the failings seen in a man, with the misplaced adulation of his little nephew, who wants to be like him. It's quite an unusual study of a family, for a singer of that age and career stage.
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    Miranda's European tour has begun, with the only Continental date, in the Netherlands - a sold out show that gained a very positive Twitter response.

    She posted thanks to the Dutch fans - and Anderson East posted this picture of the couple relaxing in Amsterdam

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6SWm7Daim/

    (he included a quote from "For The Birds" - arguably the closest Miranda went on her double album to making references to the wider issues of the world - albeit in a pretty general way. That song does also include a jab at people who "let the tomatoes rot" - though I'm afraid Country radio will scarcely be listening!)
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    I don't know why but "For The Birds" is an intriguing song for me and I've been listening to it and thinking of what Miranda is trying to say. Still a little confused, in a good way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farawayhills View Post
    Miranda's European tour has begun, with the only Continental date, in the Netherlands - a sold out show that gained a very positive Twitter response.

    She posted thanks to the Dutch fans - and Anderson East posted this picture of the couple relaxing in Amsterdam

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6SWm7Daim/

    (he included a quote from "For The Birds" - arguably the closest Miranda went on her double album to making references to the wider issues of the world - albeit in a pretty general way. That song does also include a jab at people who "let the tomatoes rot" - though I'm afraid Country radio will scarcely be listening!)
    awe cute photo. Love the song For The Birds. Happy for Miranda and congrats for sold out show. She is excellent emotional performer.

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    This is the set list for Birmingham (West Midlands) - and I would guess, for the rest of the UK and Irish dates

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHi2zWtW0AAayb2.jpg

    "Cadillac" is Gwen's featured single (It's a new song, co-written by Gwen and Miranda, with their friend April Lewis)
    The first live performance was in Bloemendaal yesterday, filmed by a concert goer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bq3Z5bjlMg

    The finale is a cover of U2's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For". Although this is an appropriate choice of song to pick for the UK and Irish audiences, I think it's also more than that. Miranda attended a U2 concert a month or so ago, and said that they'd changed her life for ever.
    This is the original.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3-5YC_oHjE

    I'm assuming that "Aunt" is a typo for "I Ain't Living Long Like This". If so it's a cover from Emmylou's 1978 album "Quarter Moon In A Ten Cent Town", (That would be a dream come true for me - Emmylou is one of my all time heroines, and Miranda, with this band, would seem worthy followers.) The song, which is very well known in both Mainstream and Alt Country circles, was written by Rodney Crowell - a former member of Emmylou's band - and it was also covered in the late '70s by Waylon Jennings, and since by many others. There is a recent version by Chris & Morgane Stapleton.
    This is the original

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPXW_8n5bbQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farawayhills View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3-5YC_oHjE

    I'm assuming that "Aunt" is a typo for "I Ain't Living Long Like This". If so it's a cover from Emmylou's 1978 album "Quarter Moon In A Ten Cent Town", (That would be a dream come true for me - Emmylou is one of my all time heroines, and Miranda, with this band, would seem worthy followers.) The song, which is very well known in both Mainstream and Alt Country circles, was written by Rodney Crowell - a former member of Emmylou's band - and it was also covered in the late '70s by Waylon Jennings, and since by many others. There is a recent version by Chris & Morgane Stapleton.
    This is the original

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPXW_8n5bbQ
    I'm assuming it is the Emmylou song.



    Miranda already covered this on "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" which is also by Emmylou from the same album (in fact, the name "Quarter Moon In A Ten Cent Town" is taken from this song). It's one of the highlight moments on the album for me. So it won't be surprising if "I Ain't Living Long Like This" is also the Emmylou song.
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    ^^^ That right there is Miranda at her finest for me.....
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