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    I like the creative turn of phrase that was so often used in country music. Easy to remember and humorous but had a meaning behind it. "You Ain't Woman Enough to Take My Man". "Who's Bed Have your Boots Been Under"......
    A lot of creativity, and even rather simplicity, went into writing country music. That made it immediately accessible and likeable.
    I liked the story telling and concept songs also. Heartbreak songs, enduring spirit songs, songs of faith, country, and love........

    Its all but gone. And sadly, a few phrases of "down home" and "our boys over seas" and "butts in the pew on Sunday" and people today think they are hearing music remenicent of that time. But its not! Its cheap imitation, self righteous, gratuitous, it does not come from the heart at all.
    The biggest complaint I have with "Country Music", that is unlike any other form of music, is that it sells itself as something that it isn't. And I don't like that people are buying it cheap. This idea that its patriotic, but it isn't. That is is family oriented, but it isn't. That its about love and faith, but it isn't. And I don't like that everyone is playing along like it still is...

    "I Drive You're Truck" may actually be one of the few songs in a long time, Carries music included, that truly embodies the ideas and the pathos of Country Music. Most of it is cheap knockoff.... And I don't even need to go into the whole "tan leg, sugar shaker, makin' that money the way her mama taught her...' Its just sad sad sad..... and I embarrass myself often times just being associated to it at all.......

    and I sometimes wish Carrie would wake up to that reality one day and stand up to it. Instead she holds her heart to a time in the past where Country Music was a different thing. And she wants to believe it will come back and that she is participating in a long heritage. But I am saddened by what she is actually participating in.......

    Ok you asked,..........rant over for today.......
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    Dub-step country like 'I knew You Were Trouble.'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pklongbeach View Post
    I like the creative turn of phrase that was so often used in country music. Easy to remember and humorous but had a meaning behind it. "You Ain't Woman Enough to Take My Man". "Who's Bed Have your Boots Been Under"......
    A lot of creativity, and even rather simplicity, went into writing country music. That made it immediately accessible and likeable.
    I liked the story telling and concept songs also. Heartbreak songs, enduring spirit songs, songs of faith, country, and love........

    Its all but gone. And sadly, a few phrases of "down home" and "our boys over seas" and "butts in the pew on Sunday" and people today think they are hearing music remenicent of that time. But its not! Its cheap imitation, self righteous, gratuitous, it does not come from the heart at all.
    The biggest complaint I have with "Country Music", that is unlike any other form of music, is that it sells itself as something that it isn't. And I don't like that people are buying it cheap. This idea that its patriotic, but it isn't. That is is family oriented, but it isn't. That its about love and faith, but it isn't. And I don't like that everyone is playing along like it still is...

    "I Drive You're Truck" may actually be one of the few songs in a long time, Carries music included, that truly embodies the ideas and the pathos of Country Music. Most of it is cheap knockoff.... And I don't even need to go into the whole "tan leg, sugar shaker, makin' that money the way her mama taught her...' Its just sad sad sad..... and I embarrass myself often times just being associated to it at all.......

    and I sometimes wish Carrie would wake up to that reality one day and stand up to it. Instead she holds her heart to a time in the past where Country Music was a different thing. And she wants to believe it will come back and that she is participating in a long heritage. But I am saddened by what she is actually participating in.......

    Ok you asked,..........rant over for today.......
    You can rant all you want. I enjoyed reading your post.
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    Good music, like in days of George Strait, Alan Jackson, Conway Twitty, etc., etc. That's all I want to hear now.
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    When it comes to solo Music, I tend to be more of a "female specialist" - but there are plenty of male artists making very good music. I'll post a few that I admire.

    I've posted a couple from Jimmy LaFave before. He is the male singer I'd most like Carrie to sing a duet with (he's a fellow Oklahoman, but now a doyen of the Austin music scene)

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    This is Chris Stapleton, former lead vocalist with the Steeldrivers, now a solo artist, and a great songwriter, who has been on tour with Miranda. His wife, Morgane Hayes, co-wrote Carrie's second Country hit

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    Bleu Edmondson is on the same bill with Carrie at one of her upcoming festival appearances.

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    Many of you will probably know Jason Isbell, formerly a member of my favourite band, The Drive-by Truckers, but recently critically acclaimed for his own albums

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    Another artist that Carrie may be familiar with is Stoney LaRue (he lives in Latimer County, which is not far from where Carrie grew up

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    Chris Knight is very highly regarded by fellow artists. When Miranda and Ashley met him, they said they felt like schoolgirls meeting Bieber. Although his style may be too heavy for some Mainstream fans, he is one of the greatest writers of character studies in Country Music today.


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    Those are only a few.

    If you are interested in what is currently doing well on the airwaves in Roots and Alternative Country, you could look through the weekly AMA airplay chart, which you can find here:

    Last Week AMA Chart

    Some of those artists have, indeed, won Mainstream attention. Steve Earle is not only one of the "kings" of Alternative Country, he has also had earlier Mainstream hits. like "Guitar Town" and "Copperhead Road" - which I still play, and, in my book, easily outshine much of the current Mainstream fare.
    Ryan Bingham recently won a Golden Globe award for "The Weary Kind"
    Robert Earl Keen is a legend in story telling - specializing in "road songs" (I wonder what "Somethin' Bad" would have been like if he'd written it!)
    J D McPherson is a relatively new musician, from Broken Arrow, near Tulsa. He has a interesting blend of retro influence and innovation.

    Those are just the top 4 - the whole chart is worth exploring.


    My musing on this topic, though, would involve considering whether I'd really want them to be concentrating on Mainstream needs. If you read the recent posts in the awards thread, it's full of discussion on "Stars", "Superstars" and "stats". These artists are unlikely to be main contenders for those attributes - but I wouldn't want them to change what they're doing. There's nothing wrong with wanting those things - but if fans see those as the necessary pre-requisites for awards and Mainstream attention, then the male artists you're going to focus on are not likely to be the ones on this list. In my view there's room for both - and having both enriches the choice artists and fans have. When I tweeted one of the above artists about the great album he's made, he replied "I make music for me and for you" - and that's an attitude i appreciate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farawayhills View Post
    Many of you will probably know Jason Isbell, formerly a member of my favourite band, The Drive-by Truckers, but recently critically acclaimed for his own albums



    Oh, how I would be in seventh heaven if Jason & Carrie wrote together! If they could just put aside the differences in Music Row & Red Dirt, etc. (Texas music), they could make beautiful music together! My wish is for this to happen! SMASH hit - forget Carrie's mainstream music - who cares - I just know they would be BRILLIANT together!!! SMASH!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by clh_hilary View Post
    dub-step country like 'i knew you were trouble.'?

    no, no, no 100% no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farawayhills View Post
    When it comes to solo Music, I tend to be more of a "female specialist" - but there are plenty of male artists making very good music. I'll post a few that I admire.

    I've posted a couple from Jimmy LaFave before. He is the male singer I'd most like Carrie to sing a duet with (he's a fellow Oklahoman, but now a doyen of the Austin music scene)

    Yes, Faraway - YES! BRILLIANT!!! Carrie & Jimmy - oh what sweet music they could make together. Fellow Okies! What a beautiful beautiful song!!

    SCREW MUSIC ROW - Carrie IMHO is down deep this kind of songwriter and singer. What an amazing duet for those two - oh, IT MUST HAPPEN!

    Thank you Faraway!
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    I can envision Oklahoma songwiters, including Carrie, writing a profound song dealing with The Trail of Tears, Cherokee Nation, located in Tahlequah. It doesn't have to be about the Cherokees or any other Indian Tribe, but so many songs could be brilliantly written regarding Oklahoma History - not just the Tribes, but the life of the Indians and the White man - could go so deep - after all, this is part of our Heritage, be you Indian or not. When I was in grade school, my teacher taught us a jingle so we could remember the Five Civilized Tribes:

    Choctaw, Chickasaw, Cherokee, Creek, Seminole High School can't be beat.

    I have never forgot that from a wee girl to my 58 years of age.

    Like I say, Oklahoma history goes from the Indians to the Land Run to everyone getting along and everyone not getting along. IMHO I truly believe some of these outstanding songwriters, including Carrie, could write a song that wasn't so controversial that it wouldn't be played - and who cares if it isn't played on Mainstream - Carrie has a deep, deep understanding of our culture - ALL PEOPLE OF THE GREAT STATE OF OKLAHOMA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farawayhills View Post
    This is Chris Stapleton, former lead vocalist with the Steeldrivers, now a solo artist, and a great songwriter, who has been on tour with Miranda. His wife, Morgane Hayes, co-wrote Carrie's second Country hit

    This man has an AMAZING voice. I saw Little Big Town on March 13th and Chris opened for them. He was amazing, his wife on harmony was amazing, and it certainly doesn't hurt that he is from KY! We like to support our own!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pklongbeach View Post
    I like the creative turn of phrase that was so often used in country music. Easy to remember and humorous but had a meaning behind it. "You Ain't Woman Enough to Take My Man". "Who's Bed Have your Boots Been Under"......
    A lot of creativity, and even rather simplicity, went into writing country music. That made it immediately accessible and likeable.
    I liked the story telling and concept songs also. Heartbreak songs, enduring spirit songs, songs of faith, country, and love........

    Its all but gone. And sadly, a few phrases of "down home" and "our boys over seas" and "butts in the pew on Sunday" and people today think they are hearing music remenicent of that time. But its not! Its cheap imitation, self righteous, gratuitous, it does not come from the heart at all.
    The biggest complaint I have with "Country Music", that is unlike any other form of music, is that it sells itself as something that it isn't. And I don't like that people are buying it cheap. This idea that its patriotic, but it isn't. That is is family oriented, but it isn't. That its about love and faith, but it isn't. And I don't like that everyone is playing along like it still is...

    "I Drive You're Truck" may actually be one of the few songs in a long time, Carries music included, that truly embodies the ideas and the pathos of Country Music. Most of it is cheap knockoff.... And I don't even need to go into the whole "tan leg, sugar shaker, makin' that money the way her mama taught her...' Its just sad sad sad..... and I embarrass myself often times just being associated to it at all.......

    and I sometimes wish Carrie would wake up to that reality one day and stand up to it. Instead she holds her heart to a time in the past where Country Music was a different thing. And she wants to believe it will come back and that she is participating in a long heritage. But I am saddened by what she is actually participating in.......

    Ok you asked,..........rant over for today.......
    I appreciate your post. And I hope you appreciate mine as well.

    We must agree to disagree, my friend! I truly think IMHO that you are wrong in "...sometimes wish Carrie would wake up to reality one day and stand up to it. Instead she holds her heart to a time in the past where Country Music was a different thing. And she wants to believe it will come back and that she is participating in a long heritage. But I am saddened by what she is actually participating in......"

    Carrie is moving further & further away from what you say "...Country Music was a different thing..." Yes, of course, mainstream country is a different thing, however she's writing with more and more "traditional country artists" if you call it that. IMHO Carrie is NOW and FOREVER will be a SUPERSTAR - she is a BRAND - regardless of if she bucks MUSIC ROW, goes with RED DIRT, TRADITIONAL, etc. Country Music. Who cares if she is played on this horrendous MAINSTREAM COUNTRY RADIO - it won't hurt her ONE BIT if she's not. She can SELL regardless of whether she gets #1s on MAINSTREAM COUNTRY RADIO! WHO IS THE NUMBER ONE ON BB COUNTRY - mainstream - A RESOUNDING NO!!!!!

    What really saddens me is that you seem to think Carrie is going down the PC path & will stick to MUSIC ROW. I truly believe you are wrong.

    I love you, but I have to speak my peace just as you do!

    Have a wonderful day, Ann (smiley)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farawayhills View Post
    Chris Knight is very highly regarded by fellow artists. When Miranda and Ashley met him, they said they felt like schoolgirls meeting Bieber. Although his style may be too heavy for some Mainstream fans, he is one of the greatest writers of character studies in Country Music today.


    Thank you Faraway! What a BRILLIANT song written about a friend of his. I keep listening to it - I can't get enough. I'm off to buy his album!

    And I DON'T CARE about MAINSTREAM...this is REAL with a man and a guitar. So in love with Chris Knight!
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    Thanks everybody I enjoyed reading all your posts. Thanks faraway for posting more males. Have to check them out.


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