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    ^ No, no! That wasn't directed at anyone, especially you! I was just giving my opinion on the whole situation. So sorry for the confusion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB172 View Post
    Oh, Kelly.

    She has every right to support whatever candidate/party that she wants to, but and it is a big BUT it is never a good thing to make that public because whatever candidate/party that any celeb supports is going to bring about negative responses.
    Well, I suppose if you support Obama the last time around you really won't get much negative responses.

    Quote Originally Posted by maria4hitz View Post
    I love the EP too. Especially Never Again and Why don't you try. Never Again was always one of my favorite Kelly songs, but I really really like this version even more. And it is doing very well on iTunes, it's #20 right now, the album (regular, which is on sale) is #26 and the deluxe version is #64.
    Yes, it's amazing how she could make "Never Again" this way. And I didn't like "Why Don't You Try"'s studio version at all, so I'm really impressed. #20 on iTunes probably doesn't mean much though, you also have to remember that iTunes is the only outlet for the album. I wonder whether it'll even debut on the Billboard 200. Probably it will, but will be of a rather low position. But considering its non-existence promotion outside of iTunes that's fine. And a lot of albums are on sale on iTunes so "iTunes Session" could have been higher.

    Quote Originally Posted by supercarriefan View Post
    Just to get it out of the way lol: Kelly's tweet regarding Ron Paul certainly opened her up to criticism, and she should have been prepared for people not to agree, and to respond hatefully if they didn't agree. Twitter (and all social media) allows for complete anonymity, so people are free to spew hateful comments back at anyone they don't agree with, and they do it all under the guise of free speech. Kelly shouldn't have been surprised at the hate. She isn't new to Twitter...she knows people can be pretty harsh on there about even the littlest things, so of course she was going to get hateful comments about something political. That being said, if people didn't agree with her views, they could have at least responded in a respectful way by perhaps providing Kelly with some helpful links to show her more information about Paul. People claiming they are no longer a fan because of this is just ridiculous. Kelly is a singer...you can support the singer without supporting their political beliefs.
    Although, let's be honest: Kelly would have been in the same hot water regardless of what candidate she said she was currently supporting. Every politician has their haters lol. Politics are a touchy subject that celebrities are best to avoid unless they fully educate themselves before making a statement. I'm sure Kelly learned her lesson, and will either not make any further political statements or will be more informed the next time she does. She is likely wishing she hadn't said anything at all at this point.

    Now onto more "important" issues lol: Kelly's Sessions is amazing! I'm in love with the new version of Never Again. It gives the song a whole new meaning. I really love the more stripped down version of What Doesn't Kill You and My Life Would Suck. I'm so glad she did Why Don't You Try as well! The interview is great as well. Lots of great questions, and lots of insightful answers!
    I think doing WDYT is actually a very good move, since it isn't on the deluxe/regular version of "Stronger". Yes, the interview was great as well!

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbluegrl23 View Post
    this is why Carrie avoids the topic of politics haha
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    Yes, that was smart. But somewhere down to the line if she wants to be more than 'just a singer' then she will have to touch on other more important topics.

    Quote Originally Posted by stEEvz3314 View Post
    I'm sorry, but why should it matter who Kelly Clarkson is going to support for the presidency? It's a free country and she's allowed to back whomever she chooses. Besides, I don't like her for her political views, I like her for her musical abilities. I just wish so many people wouldn't attack those who have differing opinions - after all, it's America and one of the beautiful things about this country is freedom of speech. Granted, Kelly should have realized that regardless of who she chose to back, the moment she went public with that information, there was going to be some form of backlash, but still, it shouldn't matter.
    I think the point was actually more about her not having much knowledge of Ron Paul before publicly endorsing him. It seems he is indeed a racist and homophobe. Now, I believe perhaps he didn't write those papers years ago (And if he did, it'd make him really horrible), but that he approves, or even just not against their releases under his name already is a very alarming thing. However, his idea about a small government which Kelly supports is great. Still, the thing is his true beliefs not about one or two policy of him suggested. It's just like, you can say you support Hitler because you believe there always have to be someone to unite the country, and to boost the spirit of the nation in times of crisis, but other people would see you as a racist, dictator, homophobe, and violent because of what Hitler also believed and done.

    And it worsen because most of Kelly fans might be tending towards the liberal side. Endorsing a Republican will never go well! LOL But then, as Michelle Branch has said, it's more like picking out the best among this bunch of people, and I mean, at least Kelly isn't endorsing Rick Perry or someone like that? And I'm honestly glad that this actually got Kelly to state her beliefs like the rights for all colors and sexual orientations.

    Btw, here's a Billboard article about it:
    Kelly Clarkson, Michelle Branch Unofficially Endorse Ron Paul | Billboard.com

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    It seems people were more upset because Kelly came off as rather uneducated when she made her comments stating she supported Paul; I don't think it was her opinion that started the firestorm, but rather the way it came across. Kelly is certainly not the first person to have supported a political candidate without doing extensive (or even basic) research, and she won't be the last. Some people don't seem to realize celebrities are just like the rest of us; we are all guilty of putting our foot in our mouths sometimes, right?

    Considering all the dumb things celebrities are blasted for on Twitter, I'm not surprised she took a lot of heat over this. She should be able to state her opinion just as any other American would, but she is also a celebrity who is put on a much broader platform than the average citizen, so she should probably exercise a little more caution in the future if she wants to speak up about such sensitive issues. However, there are lots of ignorant, hateful people in the world who probably would find something negative to say no matter what Kelly had said. If she wants to state her opinion that's fine, but I'm surprised she wasn't a little bit more prepared for the reaction, considering she is a celebrity and gets her fair share of heat on various issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stEEvz3314 View Post
    ^ No, no! That wasn't directed at anyone, especially you! I was just giving my opinion on the whole situation. So sorry for the confusion!
    Oh, ok...lol...sorry...guess I read it wrong...

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    Well...What doesn't kill her makes her stronger!

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    chl_hilary, it would NOT matter who the hell Kelly was supporting or in what election, she would still get attacked for it.

    It could have been Obama or McCain in 2008 or it could be Obama, Perry, Paul, Romney, Bachmann, etc... and she would STILL have people having an issue with it.

    If you are a public figure and you are going to make a statement on who you are going to support then that person needs to be prepared to deal with whatever fallout comes from it.

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    The mjsbigblog article on this already has over 200 comments.

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    I saw several comments on different boards with hate towards Kelly just for the fact of being a Republican. Likewise, there are people on the internet that have expressed hate for Carrie too just because they think she is a conservative Republican.

    Then others attack Carrie for being a tree hugging vegan and animal rights activist, calling her a liberal PETA feminist. lol They have no proof what her party is to be honest-- but they make assumptions based on her Christian values and where she is from.

    Truth is, I could care less what party Carrie or Kelly belong to. But people already hate her without even knowing which party she belongs to--- just based on assumptions. lol It is really sad.

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    At least this shows that she's still relevant. All popular artists have controversies, and sometimes negative press moves units like for Madonna, Amy Winehouse, T.I. and Britney Spears.

    Really there's so little people who care about Michelle Branch's comment and there's really not good for a Pop star. While yes, I agree that no matter who Kelly supports she'll get some comments, especially when she is also pretty involved in the Country world on top of having a majority of Pop/Rock following. But I mean, it's about knowing your audience to sell your product. In the simplest sense, it's like Britney Spears releasing "Hold It Against Me" as the leading single. Its front-loaded sales (441k copies sold in first 6 days -- 1.2 million copies in total) shows that the public isn't clicking with it, especially when sales were going down as airplay builds up. But it worked for her because that's what her core fans wanted. On a more related case, it's like Lady GaGa will never publicly endorse a Republican or anyone who's being criticized for even the least bit of being homophobic simply because gays make up of a large portion of her audience. And it's like Joe Jonas from the Jonas Brothers broke up with Taylor Swift which got a lot of teens and kids hated him and them, and that's actually their target audience all along so they're flopping now.

    I'd think if you're someone like Rihanna, you can totally go publicly endorse a Democrat without fearing the possibility of losing fans. And for someone like George Strait he of course can go support a Republican all he wants and be fearless. But for someone like Kelly, similarly to perhaps Carrie and Taylor Swift, they have to be very careful because they have large portions of fans come from either sides. Jason Aldean may sing about "Church Pew and Bar Stool", saying that it's a 'small town' situation where people are being divided into two. But that's actually how the world works. People always want to make everything in black or white, with nothing in between.

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    ^^I really don't see a connection between Kelly endorsing a political candidate on Twitter and Britney's first single choice, or Joe and Taylor's breakup lol. Totally unrelated even in the simplest form IMO. Sorry.
    I also don't think Rihanna (or any celeb) would get away with endorsing anyone either, from either side. Any celebrity will get hate if they post their political allegiances on Twitter because it doesn't matter what their core fans believe...Twitter is open for anyone and everyone to offer an opinion, whether they are a fan or not. I guarantee that all the people posting in response to Kelly weren't fans; some likely were, but not all. If Rihanna endorsed a Democrat, there would be all kinds of angry Republics tweeting her in response lol, as well as people that just might disagree with her choice of candidate.

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    In Kelly music news I heard Stronger for the first time on radio this morning on Fresh 102.7. It sounded great on radio. God I hope it smashes for her.

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    Mr Know It All is still sitting atop the HAC charts on Mediabase. It lost its bullet during the Christmas freeze, as did the entire Top 5. The only two songs with bullets in the Top 10 are Katy's The One That Got Away (#7), and Bruno's It Will Rain (#10). Katy is about 1000 spins behind Kelly, and even if the #2 song by Colbie Caillat regains its bullet it is about 500 spins behind Kelly. Depending on who regains lost spins, Kelly could get another week atop the chart.

    I have no doubt that once radio returns to normal, WDKY will be appearing on the charts. The lowest song on the HAC chart right now is Javier Colon's latest with 128 spins and 0.15 AIs. Bieber is in the 49th spot with a Christmas song that still has its bullet lol, but hopefully radio will stop playing it soon, and it will drop off completely. There is also still one Buble Christmas song on the HAC that should drop and fall off soon. Kelly should be able to gain enough traction once her add date occurs to pass the first few spots on the HAC without much problem. Currently, HAC spincrease has WDKY listed with 3 Leaders (Spokane (KZZU), New York (WWFS), and Kansas City (KZPT), with Houston (KHMX) also listed as a Starter. The Spincrease chart shows that many stations are still actively playing Christmas music, including Kelly's I'll Be Home For Christmas. On the HAC Taking Off Chart, Kelly is listed 2nd behind Adele, with 3 new stations and 39 new spins. I'll Be Home For Christmas is sitting in 4th with 2 new stations and 19 spins. Again, Taking Off shows lots of Christmas music still.

    On Top 40, MKIA lost its bullet, and is at #13. Adele's latest is coming up fast behind her, currently at #15 with a gain of 300 spins. If it keeps this pace, it will pass Gaga and Kelly soon. WDKY is also on the Spincrease for Top 40, with 11 stations. Again, there is still some Christmas music being played, so hopefully Kelly will gain more traction once that ends. Kelly is not on the Taking Off chart for Top 40. WDKY will have a tougher time charting on Top 40, just because there are so many heavy hitters in that format.

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    WDKY is #71 today and it's about to go back to the top 200 on iTunes, it's #201 right now.

    77 71 KELLY CLARKSON What Doesn't Kill You... 19/RCA 125 96 29 1.132

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    I love the iTunes Sessions!

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    Can't wait to see what type of numbers she pulls in. I'm not expecting an increase a week after Christmas but a small drop would be good for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercarriefan View Post
    ^^I really don't see a connection between Kelly endorsing a political candidate on Twitter and Britney's first single choice, or Joe and Taylor's breakup lol. Totally unrelated even in the simplest form IMO. Sorry.
    I also don't think Rihanna (or any celeb) would get away with endorsing anyone either, from either side. Any celebrity will get hate if they post their political allegiances on Twitter because it doesn't matter what their core fans believe...Twitter is open for anyone and everyone to offer an opinion, whether they are a fan or not. I guarantee that all the people posting in response to Kelly weren't fans; some likely were, but not all. If Rihanna endorsed a Democrat, there would be all kinds of angry Republics tweeting her in response lol, as well as people that just might disagree with her choice of candidate.
    I completely agree with that statement. Unfortunately, many people's choice of music is highly dependant on the political sides that they take. I hate this fact, but it is completely true. If Kelly believes that Paul is the greatest choice for President, then it is her right to voice her opinion. But as we all saw, this can cause some serious backlash from the people who have supported her career for so long. By the looks of things so far, the opposite has happened for Kelly so far. I may be the only one, but I don't listen to music by artists who have the same political views as myself. I know that many people out there are THAT dedicated to their party, but it is important to remember that no two people have exactly the same standpoints on every issue in the world, and that must be respected for us to all live harmoniously.

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    In the Roots sector it generally doesn't matter whether (or not) musicians make their political views known. Strong opinions and controversial stands are part of the tradition of the music, and most fans tolerate views they might not agree with. Steve Earle or Charlie Daniels tend to be equally accepted for their music, even though their political views are very different. The Mainstream seems to be much more sensitive to controversy, and musicians can quickly come unstuck for voicing unpopular views.

    I feel sorry for Kelly Clarkson - but I don't think the main problem is that she endorsed a Republican. I think the issue for many of her fans is that the particular candidate she endorsed is a figure of considerable controversy in their eyes. Part of the problem lies in a long series of newsletters, extending over several years, issued by Paul's supporters, and endorsed under his name, which contained racist and homophobic sentiments (including apparent approval of violence, which supporters claim was misunderstood humour or satire). Paul denies writing them, or knowing in detail what appeared in them, merely allowing campaign supporters to use his name and general recommendations. This may well be true, but from the point of view of some of some fans, it doesn't explain why he allowed the tone of the letters to go on for a lengthy period, why he only publicly dissociated himself from them when running for national office, or why he has never appeared to reveal who did write them, and whether they might still be associated with his campaign team.

    Kelly says that she supports Paul because he opposes the government interfering in people's lives. However, this is rather simplistic - what he really opposes is the federal government interfering in people's life. He actually advocates States' Rights in areas of social legislation . Unfortunately, for some of Kelly's fans, States' Rights have a negative history of oppressive and unequal treatment of minorities. Today, States' Rights are often interpreted as a code term for Social Conservatism. Rightly or wrongly, some fans are likely to see leaving social legislation to the states as being likely to endorse unequal marriage rights, opposition to affirmative action, promotion of religion in public schools and court houses, display of historic emblems that some find oppressive, and so on.

    Kelly may be presented by her record label as primarily a Pop singer - but her real love seems to lie in Texas Blues. She has significant numbers of fans from racial minorities, and a significant Gay fan base, and a larger group who are generally sympathetic to more equaity for minorities (which often includes support for "political correctness" and federal affirmative action.) The awkwardness for Kelly may have largely arisen from her not fully recognizing that.

    I feel sorry for her, but I don't expect her to move further into public political controversy, and I think her career is likely to quickly recover from this situation (which, not for the first time, has been blown up by internet comments)
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    ^^I'm pretty sure her career has already "recovered" lol. It's a case of the internet making much ado about nothing. Most people likely could have cared less about Kelly's twitter comments, or they cared for about two seconds and moved on.
    BTW, Kelly has stated she does love singing pop music, and has no plans to shift genres anytime soon. She has mentioned she might want to do a country/pop trio with some other female artists at some point as a side project for fun, but her niche is pop anthems. Sure, she has a soulful voice, but I don't see how her "real love" is Texas Blues. I'm not criticizing you, Farawayhills, but rather just stating the facts based on what Kelly has said herself.
    I'm also pretty sure Kelly recognizes that her fanbase spans the masses, and includes people of all different beliefs and lifestyles. She's been at this a long time. She clarified her position after receiving a world of hate on Twitter by stating that she supported the rights of all people regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, or whatever. This alone tells me Kelly does realizes her fanbase is broad.
    Kelly simply endorsed a candidate without having all the facts...she isn't the first person, celebrity or not, to do it, and she won't be the last. She is no less informed than the majority of voters lol. Unfortunately, many people base their votes on the debates without looking up the rest of the story on the candidates. I'm sure Kelly has since looked up more information on her candidate of choice.

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