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    It would be nice if an interviewer would ask about male artists for a change. There is a ton of pop/rock music posing for country. Also considering the women to men ratio it's mostly coming from the guys. How about asking if Keith Urban or Jason Aldean are pop? Also the follow up question could be "If a song sounds like classic rock but has lyrics about trucks, beer, and hot chicks does it make that song country?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuffy View Post
    It would be nice if an interviewer would ask about a male artists for a change. How about asking if Keith Urban or Jason Aldean are pop? Also the follow up question could be "If a song sounds like classic rock but has lyrics about trucks, beer, and hot chicks is that song country?"
    Yeah, the females seem to receive a lot more criticism about not being country than the males do. Really, Carrie's songs sound just as country as most other current country stars' do. The difference is she's not singing about tractors, trucks, beer, tailgates, and how country she is. (Thank goodness for that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by teesharky View Post
    Agree. I was more offended by this part of his comment than the "She is not country" part-- because the second thing he said accused her of using the country genre for financial gain, all the while being pop. NOT COOL!.
    ITA. That's exactly the problem that I have with what he said. It's not like he talked about their music being pop, he implied (whether intentional or not) that they were using the country genre. If he knew anything about Carrie, he would know how wrong he was to make that statement.

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    Well Gary Allen is a grown man and he could've answered that question a million different ways and not taken digs at either artist. So I just don't buy the excuse that he was baited by Larry King.



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    Quote Originally Posted by opry051008 View Post
    ITA. That's exactly the problem that I have with what he said. It's not like he talked about their music being pop, he implied (whether intentional or not) that they were using the country genre. If he knew anything about Carrie, he would know how wrong he was to make that statement.
    I resented that he implied that Carrie was using the country genre. He knows NOTHING about Carrie to make that statement. Taylor is another matter. I have said for a long time that she has used the country genre to get into pop---and in my opinion she has. I think the only thing that is keeping her little pinkie finger in country is for the awards, charts and the write ups she gets from the country TV, etc.. She thrives on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrieflattsfan View Post
    Even though I'm not the biggest fan of the way Gary stated his opinion, Larry King did seem to be baiting him a little bit. Gary clearly stated he just isn't a fan of Carrie and Taylor and the more pop-leaning artists, which he has a right to express.

    That said, I'm sure Gary isn't complaining when he has a hit on the radio alongside the likes of Carrie and Taylor when he scores an occasional hit. Knocking the audience that you also market yourself to (even if you only have an occasional hit), is still hypocritical, no matter which way you spin it.

    No doubt Gary has also aimed for mainstream success, and if not for some of them, he would not be where he is.

    It's ironic to me how all these country artists have complained about the genre, when they have probably vied for mainstream success at some point, even if it was years ago.

    All these artists like to pretend they're above the politics and getting radio hits, but the chances of that actually being accurate are pretty minimal.

    Taylor has clearly used country music to her benefit, while Carrie has always done everything she can to prove she's the opposite.

    It's obvious they were only mentioned because Taylor is 'considered country' (and is allowed to be), because she makes money off the genre, and they wouldn't dare let her go because of all the money she makes. It's really amazing that people still lump Carrie and Taylor in same category, because if you actually follow/love country music, most people would admit even pop/country fans who love Carrie, Lady A, etc. cannot stand her anymore.
    King gave Allan a put your foot in his mouth question and that is exactly what Allan did.

    Sometimes being truthful with an answer isn't always a good thing and that is the case here, Allan could have answer the question somewhere along the lines of he doesn't consider them country but it's up the fans to decide what they think, instead of answering it the way he did.

    But he chose to answer the question the way he did which is his right to, so he will have to deal with whatever fallout comes out of it if there is any, outside of the fan bases being pissed I don't think much will come of it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opry051008 View Post
    ITA. That's exactly the problem that I have with what he said. It's not like he talked about their music being pop, he implied (whether intentional or not) that they were using the country genre. If he knew anything about Carrie, he would know how wrong he was to make that statement.
    He should have just stopped after the music being pop comment because after that the train went off the tracks.
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    I am curious about what led Larry King to ask that question. I bet they had a discussion prior to the taping, so for all we know-- maybe Gary Allen wanted to say this publicly, and it was planned. Who knows.

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    The other thing that I hate with the 'country vs. not country debate is that it inevitably divides the artists even further, and it is so clear how the cliques become so obvious.

    Not only has this SAME debate been occurring for decades, but it receives so much attention now that's it's almost not even worth getting riled up over. Music is meant to be celebrated and appreciated in part because it's so diverse, and instead of celebrating it, we just find reasons to criticize it.

    Nobody can define what's country and what's not, and it just makes it seem more petty when artists themselves get involved in it and start tooting their own horns. Like I said, I think Gary Allan is really great, and good for him if he wants to do his own thing. But he comes across as pretty childish when he's criticizing the genre he's aiming for, and giving off the impression that he's not a 'sellout' to 'pop music' like he has implied Carrie is doing.

    That's why I almost always have mixed feelings when artists chime on on this topic; it's been going on for years, and it just makes the artists seem holier than thou when they don't need to come across that way. It's sad to see the line getting even wider, when we have one artist saying one thing, and one artist saying another, and one artist saying country music is a family, while another is saying they're too rebellious to fit in while pandering to their audience, and the list goes on.

    Gary can make music his way, and be happy with that, Carrie can make music her way and be happy with that, and their respective audiences can enjoy them without griping about something so petty.

    I agree with what Gary said about the benefits of genre boundaries being erased, because I think the new sound of country music has made it 'cool' and accessible to a much younger audience. However, that also opens the door to the question of "If there are no genres, can we define what is country?" Do we NEED to have genres so those boundaries can be established again? At the same time, people like Gary Allan would never have even been noticed by younger country fans if it weren't for people who have pushed the boundaries of the sound a little bit.

    On the same token, this is much the same reason why Carrie and Taylor are still lumped together. As Carrie fans, we see her as much different (and perhaps superior), to Taylor, but to an outsider looking in who doesn't like that general style on matter who the artist is, there is going to be very little difference between two contemporary females labeled in the same genre. It may not be fair, bur it is what is to a general audience.

    I think the main problem nowadays is that traditionalists have staunch ideas about what it is 'truly country,' contemporary country fans can defend it as being rooted in the subjects of country music, and so on. Everybody is always going to find something or someone to criticize, as long as they're not on top and pretending their too good to be mixed in with the 'cool crowd.'


    I don't have an issue with artists stating an opinion, but again, I don't believe for a minute most artists are clean when it comes to politics and not crossing boundary lines at least a little bit. Gary was cornered with this question, and while he answered with an honest opinion, but I don't like the air of superior attitude/dividing all of this talk creates.

    As usual, the media has to go for controversial questions for ratings, and these questions did get people talking. King got exactly what he wanted from Gary, and now he's suffering the consequences. But this also deepens the divide and superiority complex of other artists who want to make it seem as if they DON'T fit in the mainstream genre, even if that has been their target demographic at more than one time.

    Opinions, misinformation, and media baiting/twisting is never a good mix. A question designed to get tongues wagging, and it sure did.

    Just another reason why I love Carrie for knowing how to answer questions gracefully and honestly without hurting anybody or coming across as misinformed. She knows exactly how to handle what's thrown at her, and it's even more clear now why she stays away from all the cliques and politics and gossip that the media could so easily rope her into.

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    I agree with Stuffy - King was certainly at fault, in my opinion, for putting a narrow focus on two women, in a genre where very few women get regular Mainstream airplay, and can't be considered representative of current trends in the format as a whole. It's a valid question to ask whether the format is losing its distinctiveness - but that question would have been better put in more general terms.

    As for the first part of Allan's reply - either all commercial artists are "using" the genre to make a living, or none are. It's pretty much a meaningless observation.

    I didn't hear Allan say "we've all strayed" in this clip (though it's presumably part of a longer interview). What he did say here is that he doesn't make music any longer for a genre - and that is oddly reminiscent of what Taylor Swift said recently (she said she wasn't concerned about genres, and leaves genre labels to others).

    Larry King is not a specialist in Country Music. The names of Carrie and Taylor probably came up simply because they're famous. But that is about all they do have in common. In the context of their place in Country Music, two important aspects to consider would be their exploration of traditional Country Music themes, and their attitude to the Country Music milieu. Take the themes. As far as I know, Taylor has never sung anything thematically like BHC, JTTW, W, DFTRM, IAICA, JAD, MS, SLT, BA, TBC, TGFH - all of which have subject matter that can be linked to long standing Country themes. No one has to sing songs related to revenge, faith, home, life's vicisitudes - but if someone frequently does, it's surely a strong reason not to lump her in automatically with someone better known for confessional "diary" songs. Carrie's clearly not a "purist" who bases her music on some particular style or era - she puts her own contemporary stamp on her music. But if you examine the type of song she sings, they are much more solidly rooted in the spirit and thematic values of the Country genre.

    Secondly take attitude to the genre. Carrie repeatedly emphasizes that she's Country, wants to be Country, and won't compromise her Country identity. It certainly isn't Carrie who's saying that she's leaving genre labels to others, or that she's not making music for a genre. Add to that her remarkable mutual loyalty to the Opry, her refusal to remix, her lack of interest in promoting to other formats, her wish to be an ambassador for Country Music abroad,and her references to the Country Music family.

    Unfortunately, as well as this Gary Allan comment, there are currently a couple of other articles quoted on the board that say she's not Country. This wouldn't matter if Carrie herself was ambivalent about her role and sought a General Music identity (as others have done before, and will do again). But for someone who repeatedly says she wants to be Country and values that identity, it can be both hurtful and unfair. Repeat it often enough, and it becomes a superficial cliche, leaving more people seeing no reason to look more deeply into what she's actually doing.

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    I'm so tired of people lumping Carrie's and Taylor's music together. Please, go listen to Top 40 radio and see if you can find any Carrie's music on the station (even if you hear BHC, it's an UNremixed, original country version!). Or watch their Grammy performances this year and tell me that both of them are the same. Or go watch their Opry performances... oh wait, how many does Taylor even have since she started her career?

    Carrie should really release Wine After Whiskey as 5th single. A big "in your face" to all those people who say she's not country.

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    Imo Carrie music is pop when you compare it to Kitty Wells and Patsy Cline, but Carrie is country compare to TS, lady GaGa, Katy Perry, and Britney Spears. In other words if Carrie was singing her style of country music 50 years ago it would probably be classified as pop but today it is classified as country, shoot Miranda Lambert, Martina McBride, Lauren Alaina, and almost all female country artist that gotten her start after the year 2000 would be classified as pop, rock, or some other genre if she was in the music business back than. And as for males well they get enough buzz in country music, so this is just about the females
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuiZ View Post
    I'm so tired of people lumping Carrie's and Taylor's music together. Please, go listen to Top 40 radio and see if you can find any Carrie's music on the station (even if you hear BHC, it's an UNremixed, original country version!). Or watch their Grammy performances this year and tell me that both of them are the same. Or go watch their Opry performances... oh wait, how many does Taylor even have since she started her career?

    Carrie should really release Wine After Whiskey as 5th single. A big "in your face" to all those people who say she's not country.
    I so agree with this! I also think WAW could be a really big hit on country radio and her vocals on this song are just perfect!
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    Here's what I would say to Gary Allan given the chance. "Carrie and Taylor have never been anything but gracious to their fellow artists. It is too bad you couldn't show them the same courtesy"

    He could have easily answered the question by saying it wasn't for him to define the genre. I agree that his insinuation that Carrie and Taylor were being disingenuous or using the genre is where he got insulting. He could have easily made his point about the evolution of the genre without throwing any individual under the bus. He owes them both an apology.

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    this doesn't mention Carrie but ZBB does blast the fratboy aspect of country radio
    Zac Brown and Gary Allan Express Distaste for Contemporary Country Music

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    “What we do is not necessarily traditional country, but we play all of our own instruments, we write the best songs that we can, and we put harmony on the songs, we have a real band…a lot of it’s just about subject matter. We really write about real life, songs that come from life and our heart. To me country music has always been the home for a great song,” he explained. “If I hear one more tailgate in the moonlight, daisy duke song, I’m gonna throw up. There’s songs out there on the radio right now that make me be ashamed to be even in the same format as some other artists.”<

    >So how does he feel about Luke Bryan‘s latest single? “I love Luke Bryan and he’s had some great songs, but this new song is the worst song I’ve ever heard. I know Luke, he’s a friend. ['That's] My Kinda Night’ is one of the worst songs I’ve ever heard. I see it being commercially successful, in what is called country music these days, but I also feel like that the people deserve something better than that. Country fans and country listeners deserve to have something better than that, a song that really has something to say, something that makes you feel something. Good music makes you feel something. When songs make me wanna throw up, it makes me ashamed to even be in the same genre as those songs.”<

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    See now ZBB's comments are spot-on. You can hear the interview here: https://soundcloud.com/93-7-jrfm/zac-brown-interview

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    That article makes some very valid points. Artists like Carrie and Taylor are not the problem. Carrie's musical style may tend toward pop but her lyrical content certainly does not, nor does she go for the easy cliche country stereotype. In the last year her songs have tackled the subjects of domestic violence, murder, loss and the afterlife. How anybody could remotely accuse her of being the problem in country music is beyond comprehension. The problem is all the 'jack up my truck, bring me a beer, wouldn't it be cool if I could pick up this chick in this bar' schlock the male artists are producing that people are eating up with a spoon. Unfortunately the problem with brainless cliche lyrical content is certainly not exclusive to country. Pop is just as bad. I guess people really just want brainless ear candy and they don't want to be touched emotionally nor forced to think. As long as people are buying it they are going to keep cranking it out.
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    Thank the Lord someone spoke up about the horrendous new Luke Bryan single. It really is atrocious in every way possible. I couldn't detest a song more than I do that one.

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    Carrie is country. He should listen to Wine After Whiskey.

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