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    Yup. Garth had a deal as well but I think it may have included all the radio stations and not just clear channel
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    I think it was 1st use w/ the Tim and Kenny's duet which went to 12-13 then was pulled because it was so poorly received by fans and they had other projects they wanted to promote. Zac Brown Band and Jason Aldean lead singles were also given the treatment. Carrie's lead single was a little too soon and she also released it like on Thursday night so it was on her terms definitely. Actually there are pros and cons to the quick race up the charts. I see more negatives than anything but I guess the buzz could maintain such as Jason Aldean seems to be doing well with his 1st single. Garth's deal was w/ all the PDs not dedicated w/ CC only. A couple of the stations such as my WQYK station did it for a full wk.

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    WQYK also played Garth's tune 125 times in that opening week, which is beyond asinine.
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    BA (+32 spins, +0.178 million AIs) remains at #16.

    On Canadian Country, BA (+3 spins, +0.004 million AIs) moves up a spot to #16.


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    Quote Originally Posted by teesharky View Post
    Wow I just read some interesting articles and comments on the Pulse country thread for SWSRn, and I am glad Carrie did not do the Clear Channel thing. Apparently, Big Machine and Clear Channel have some deal going on where Clear Channel makes money for playing the dang song so much--- which is a big incentive for them. In other words, our conspiracy theories of back room deals and $ changing hands to pull off this artificial fake debut for SWSRN were RIGHT-- and not a conspiracy theory at all! lol There are facts to back it up.

    Kudos to Carrie for not playing this dirty game. It is not her style, and that is one of the reasons I am such a fan of her. I would rather BA take 20 weeks to reach number 1f need be-- then be shoved down everyone's throats to such an extent that the country music fans are livid and posting, blogging, tweeting, calling in, etc-- to every radio station in sight complaining about over-playing the song...etc.

    Not every country fan likes Carrie, so I would rather not piss them off more by shoving her songs down their throat in this manner. If they disliked Taylor before, they despise her now. Carrie doesn't need that kind of help. She does just fine without the cheating.

    Talk about a Hollow Victory for Big Machine and SWSRN. If that is how you win, I would rather go slow and steady to win the race, the right way.
    I have to say Tee, this isn't so much a Taylor or Carrie thing as much as it is a difference in operations from a Arista vs. Borchetta standpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supercarriefan View Post
    I just finished reading this article. I totally didn't realize that Colt Ford's album was the #1 country album this week...wow. Crazy that it is also charting in the rap format. I personally can't stand Colt Ford's music, but he does usually rap about the very things listed in that article as being country lol.
    I will be interested to see how all of this hoopla surrounding Taylor's latest single plays out. It seems to have peaked the interest of both fans and industry folks alike, and not necessarily in a good way. It seems it has once again stirred the debate about the state of country music. Out of all the pop influenced songs that have been sent to country radio in the last decade, Taylor's latest really does up the ante. She has gone full-on pop, yet still is maintaining her status as a country artist at this point. Time will tell.
    Country music is at an crossroads, I think. Between the cliche "country living" songs and the pop influences, the industry and the fans are left to wonder what happened to the genre that could once be depended upon for solid songs about the human experience. Sure, there are still songs that have that element, but they often being overshadowed.

    As with every one of these CC deals, I will be watching to see the aftermath. The deals don't make sense to me at all, and will likely continue to frustrate me for a while yet lol. I'm just personally glad to see some of the songs I love at country radio hanging in there amongst all the craziness.
    if Colt Ford's album or Talyor's latest single win her the Country Song and FV in Grammys....than I better go to sleep on country music forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teesharky View Post
    Wow I just read some interesting articles and comments on the Pulse country thread for SWSRn, and I am glad Carrie did not do the Clear Channel thing. Apparently, Big Machine and Clear Channel have some deal going on where Clear Channel makes money for playing the dang song so much--- which is a big incentive for them. In other words, our conspiracy theories of back room deals and $ changing hands to pull off this artificial fake debut for SWSRN were RIGHT-- and not a conspiracy theory at all! lol There are facts to back it up.

    Kudos to Carrie for not playing this dirty game. It is not her style, and that is one of the reasons I am such a fan of her. I would rather BA take 20 weeks to reach number 1f need be-- then be shoved down everyone's throats to such an extent that the country music fans are livid and posting, blogging, tweeting, calling in, etc-- to every radio station in sight complaining about over-playing the song...etc.

    Not every country fan likes Carrie, so I would rather not piss them off more by shoving her songs down their throat in this manner. If they disliked Taylor before, they despise her now. Carrie doesn't need that kind of help. She does just fine without the cheating.

    Talk about a Hollow Victory for Big Machine and SWSRN. If that is how you win, I would rather go slow and steady to win the race, the right way.
    Tees.....your comment remind of the "Turtle and the Hare" race...and at the end the Turtle won.....and also win the heart of everyone.....LOL

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    I'm really tired and stressed over the never ending Taylor Swift discussion. I believe her name does not belong here. EVER.
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    Something tells me the charts will get back to normal this week now that tbe CC push is over.

    Hopefully carrie's updates will get a wee bit stronger as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinannhunt View Post
    If I was CC would I play any big machine songs and pay this royalty if I could play an RCA single and not pay? I don't get the deal unless there is a minimum of play involved. CC will pay reguardless of who they play.

    EDIT: I actually read the article on the CC deal and it is a % of advertizing not per play. I still don'e get it, lol.
    Yes, I cannot understand how that's a good business arrangement for Clear Channel either. It actually seems like it's a good thing for the artists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clh_hilary View Post
    Yes, I cannot understand how that's a good business arrangement for Clear Channel either. It actually seems like it's a good thing for the artists.
    It seems that CC has agreed with devil it sees so it can replace the spin royalty with a royalty that is based on gross revenue. It still seems like a bad deal for CC because the other radio Moguls are not participating.

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    It's certainly not good for the listeners either; this tune and 'Rockstar' are two of the worst singles of the past decade.

    OId her label likes 'hollow victories' as well as indefensibly dishonest articles such as the one in the newest issue of BB regarding some phony chart records she allegedly 'set' with this tune, then so be it.

    At least Carrie will never have to go this route; it's pointless and disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clh_hilary View Post
    Yes, I cannot understand how that's a good business arrangement for Clear Channel either. It actually seems like it's a good thing for the artists.
    I think the issue is in the monopoly of it.

    When you have BM working with CC working with Covergirl working with Taylor, you have a complete circle in which the money stays. Each does their part and they get their back scratched.
    What this does is leave people out!
    IT's no longer a system controlled by quality of music or public appeal.
    It becomes a functioning system that creates promotes sells and profits as a collective.
    No more singers that are not part of the system.
    It has been a while trying to get the system right where it is an iron clad arrangement. But with this arrangement with CC (it may appear that TS is the only one who wins) the whole collective stays well fed and secure.
    But what if you are not part of the collective??
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    Quote Originally Posted by pklongbeach View Post
    I think the issue is in the monopoly of it.

    When you have BM working with CC working with Covergirl working with Taylor, you have a complete circle in which the money stays. Each does their part and they get their back scratched.
    What this..collective??
    What does this mean? Does this agreement only work when covergirl makeup ads are on radio. I just don't get the agreement.

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    Well, I think it is a soft agreement where covergirl (and or any sponserships that TS is associated with) is going to advertize "strongly" at radio that is willing to really push taylor. So Covergirl wins / radio wins (with advertizing dollars) Taylor wins (in all ways) BM wins in their artsist being the most promoted and therefor profitable artist on their rowster. And CC wins (in advertizing dollars as well) along with becoming the most powerful radio-collective out there. They start running the radio world if they can get these big groups to play with them.
    For those who question why CC would agree to pay the artist everytime a song gets played, its because that song is going to get played "so much" and the advertizing dollars end up so heavy and excessive that CC (with this exclusive deal) ends up very powerful and rich along with BM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pklongbeach View Post
    Well, I think it is a soft agreement where covergirl (and or any sponserships that TS is associated with) is going to advertize "strongly" at radio that is willing to really push taylor. So Covergirl wins / radio wins (with advertizing dollars) Taylor wins (in all ways) BM wins in their artsist being the most promoted and therefor profitable artist on their rowster. And CC wins (in advertizing dollars as well) along with becoming the most powerful radio-collective out there. They start running the radio world if they can get these big groups to play with them.
    For those who question why CC would agree to pay the artist everytime a song gets played, its because that song is going to get played "so much" and the advertizing dollars end up so heavy and excessive that CC (with this exclusive deal) ends up very powerful and rich along with BM.
    SO the agreement is centered around covergirl and not the entire ad revenue. That makes more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinannhunt View Post
    SO the agreement is centered around covergirl and not the entire ad revenue. That makes more sense.
    Well, sort of.
    Covergirl (which is a billion dollar enterprize) would just be one of any sponsorship who is willing to give heavy advertizing dollars to be a part of the collective.
    Each component (radio/advertizers/record label/media outlets) is necessary for the whole to work.
    And because CC has been allowed to become a huge body of radios stations (just like a walmart is a huge product selling entity) there is little ability for anyone to compete with them.
    What they play instantly becomes the most popular. Regardless of how anyone feels about the product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pklongbeach View Post
    Well, sort of.
    Covergirl (which is a billion dollar enterprize) would just be one of any sponsorship who is willing to give heavy advertizing dollars to be a part of the collective.
    Each component (radio/advertizers/record label/media outlets) is necessary for the whole to work.
    And because CC has been allowed to become a huge body of radios stations (just like a walmart is a huge product selling entity) there is little ability for anyone to compete with them.
    What they play instantly becomes the most popular. Regardless of how anyone feels about the product.
    I get the whole CC, big deal radio thing. I just don't see the ad revenue as an incentive for CC if only one of the advertisers are involved. I know that SWSRN has multiple sponsors so that would help but to give away advertising revenue for other non-sponsors would be foolish. I also don't see a big budget for covergirl to advertise on only CC stations.

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    But if CC is willing to aggressively push covergirls biggest asset, why wouldn't covergirl agree to assist by giving high dollar amounts in advertizing.
    Again, Taylors success helps both covergirl and CC.
    So they "create" her success.
    Which, keep in mind, means that the minute they feel the publics (young 12 yrolds) attention going elsewhere, so will their attention. And Taylor will be right in the same boat as any outsider while the big boys are still making it rich on the new flavor of the month.
    This does not all hinge on Taylor Swift. This all hinges on creating interest in the product they have to sell.
    The minute they smell a new trend other than Taylor Swift they will be on it like flys on "...."!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pklongbeach View Post
    Well, sort of.
    Covergirl (which is a billion dollar enterprize) would just be one of any sponsorship who is willing to give heavy advertizing dollars to be a part of the collective.
    Each component (radio/advertizers/record label/media outlets) is necessary for the whole to work.
    And because CC has been allowed to become a huge body of radios stations (just like a walmart is a huge product selling entity) there is little ability for anyone to compete with them.
    What they play instantly becomes the most popular. Regardless of how anyone feels about the product.

    In addition to that - this is just a "FEASIBILITY STUDY" of Clear Channel and this is the reason why Clear Channel is STARTING SMALL by agreeing to work with Big Machine ONLY - and SEE "IF" Clear Channel can build A BUSINESS OUT OF IT. Clear Channel, despite of $6.16 billion in annual revenue, still has a NET LOSS of nearly 303 million dollar last year. It has $20 billion dollar in debt and last year it paid $1.47 billion dollar interest as INTEREST EXPENSE. So, Clear Channel NEEDS MORE ADVERTISING "REVENUE" and it is using Big Machine, "IF", IT WILL WORK. They are calling the commission (remuneration) from the ADVERTISING REVENUE - "the sound recording performance royalty". Clear Channel has a NET OPERATING INCOME of $1.167 billion dollar which is not enough to pay the ANNUAL INTEREST of $1.47 billion dollar. This is the reason why they have a NET LOSS of nearly $300 million dollar last year and looking for POSSIBLE "ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING REVENUE". The deal that Big Machine offered to Clear Channel was accepted by Clear Channel for that reason.
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