Thread: Forget the president, Support Israel!

you guys don't know how much we suffer here!

I am a supporter of Israel. We are praying for you, Liat.

thank you so much maggie ! i appriciate that a lot!

Originally Posted by Liatush

you guys don't know how much we suffer here!

We certainly don't, but we sure got the taste of that on 9/11 and Iraq experiencing what the IDF been experiencing

You're not alone!

Originally Posted by agur3046

We certainly don't, but we sure got the taste of that on 9/11 and Iraq experiencing what the IDF been experiencing

You're not alone!

yeah i know alot of people died there including jewish :/
why we cannot live in peace together for god sick :S

I will keep praying that the United States never turns its back on Israel. To do so would surely bring the United States under God's judgment. God bless you Liat!

thanks DAN[are you jewish?? this name is comun here!!]
together we are stronger

Originally Posted by DigitalDan

I will keep praying that the United States never turns its back on Israel. To do so would surely bring the United States under God's judgment. God bless you Liat!

I'm with you Dan...I believe that the only thing that is keeping back God's hand from the US is our relationship with Israel. It scares me to death to think of who will occupy the White House next. God help us all!!

Thank you, Ray, for that eye-opening post!!! You put a LOT of work into it...I appreciate it!

And Liat...keep the Faith!! Israel is precious in God's eyes!!

Originally Posted by Liatush

yeah i know alot of people died there including jewish :/
why we cannot live in peace together for god sick :S

Human nature is such that there will always be war. I don't know how things will be better for your country, but in time, with more news of Muslims treating women wrong, irrational protest calling for death, cruelty without limits, and truce breaking, the world will see that it has been wrong about your people all along or they will experience the same terror themselves.

Originally Posted by DigitalDan

I will keep praying that the United States never turns its back on Israel. To do so would surely bring the United States under God's judgment. God bless you Liat!

I'm with you too.

God bless America, and the State of Israel!

where he is,why he authorized all of that things? it's his world no? when he is gonna to react??

some questions i know they don't have answers:/

Originally Posted by agur3046

Human nature is such that there will always be war. I don't know how things will be better for your country, but in time, with more news of Muslims treating women wrong, irrational protest calling for death, cruelty without limits, and truce breaking, the world will see that it has been wrong about your people all along or they will experience the same terror themselves.

You can support Israel without stereotyping Muslims in this way. I personally will not tolerate the degradation of any religion or peoples based on the actions of a few. You are certainly within your right to complain about governments and politicians and policies you do not believe in. It is not right, however, to degrade an entire religion.

Originally Posted by Liatush

you guys don't know how much we suffer here!

Liat you are in my prayers as well as your country and I hope everything works out

Originally Posted by Liatush

thanks DAN[are you jewish?? this name is comun here!!]
together we are stronger

No, I'm not Jewish. However, I know how important Israel is in Scripture. Genesis 12:3 - God says in the Abrahamic Covenant "I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you I will curse; and all people's on earth will be blessed through you."

Originally Posted by litchfield93

You can support Israel without stereotyping Muslims in this way. I personally will not tolerate the degradation of any religion or peoples based on the actions of a few. You are certainly within your right to complain about governments and politicians and policies you do not believe in. It is not right, however, to degrade an entire religion.

I should be more careful in wording. Yes, I ought not to steryotype and mash all muslims together; note that on my article, I did not isolate Islam, but always paired it with words, "Extremist," "Facist," etc. Muslims in the US for example want to follow our customs and conform to our morality. Imams, most of them, will distance themselves from Extremist.

However, in muslim lands, it is not unusual for women to be second class citizens unless they are in a more, western arabic country. In lands where Wahabiism is strong, medieval rule remained and unchanged. In Saudi Arabia, most recently, it came under fire for imprisoning a woman after she claimed that a group of men raped her (1)!

It is argued by many muslim scholars and apologist the Koran honor women treating them equally, and denounce Jihad claiming that the word simply means, "Struggle". However, the Koran isn't very clear; in fact, some passages does appear to call for Jihad and sactioned the beating of women. Lets take women for example:

4.34": Men are the *maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and *beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. - Woman (2)

Today, Arabic media water down the wife beating perception in the west but there are clips of wife beatings that even an Iranian female journalist acknowlaged after her research but dismiss them as Western and Zionist Propaganda (3)

When it comes to Jihad, it can be argued that the Extremist took the Koran out of context. To be fair, one former muslim turned Christian said that the Koran doesn't necesarily teach Jihad but it isn't clear either. I've looked at some of the verses myself and saw that the Koran doesn't clearly teach Jihad, it gives a premise that if the believer is attacked and oppressed, fight them but adds, until they submit to Allah (4).

2:216 fighting is ordained for you, even though it be hateful to you; but it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you: and God knows, whereas you do not know. [201]

002:190-191: [2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

009:029: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.



Online Souces and TV clips from memriTV.org
(1) Saudi lawyer in rape victim plea - CNN.com
(2) The Quran Online. Note: You have to put a chapter and verse in because it is not given so easily when you word search the word, "woman"
Quran Search
(3) Iranian Woman journalist dismiss clips of unrestrained wife beating as US, NATO, and Zionist Propaganda.
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(4) Possible Jihadi verses
The Korans 111 Jihad Verses

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Originally Posted by DigitalDan

I will keep praying that the United States never turns its back on Israel. To do so would surely bring the United States under God's judgment. God bless you Liat!

Dan, I agree. Very good thread, I enjoyed reading it and it is so true.

thanks to all of you for the nice words!! god bless you all! =)

Originally Posted by agur3046

Wow, this is the first political thread I can sink my teeth into.

In resonse and turn to the question of what do you think of Bush's visit to Israel (I believe our President should get the credit because at least he tried) I believe that it matters not whether the right president came to Israel or not because no matter what, the Arab Nations WILL NOT GIVE UP ISRAEL. No matter how much aid, trade, and pressure we apply to them. Now here's an eye opener for you all:

"First we will go on Saturday, then on Sunday!"

Innocent little chant, yes? NO! What it really means is:

"We will Fight the Saturday People, and then we Will Fight the Sunday people!"

Hitler wrote a second sequal to his book of Mein Kamp (my Struggle) and in it, he conspires to conquer the whole world because it is important for the survival of the Aryan race, and the Jewish People is the first target until the one FINAL target - AMERICA (1)!

Now, we have Radical Islamic Facism which, instead of citing survival as their global cause, it is the cause for Allah to enforce Suriah Islam (Islamic Law). This problem is bigger than you think! Our third most friendliet ally, Saudi Arabia to the most hostile nation sponcers schools of Sunni Wahabism which teaches such Extremism They are not alone in this; Iran has it's own mission, to bring back heaven on earth by a global conflict lead by the prophecied Messiah, just another Jihad. The goal is, that this world is for now, Dar al-Harb "House of War," until the world turns into Dar al-Islam "the house of Islam"

We are lucky that they do not possess sophisticated weaponary but they do have one weapon in their favor - the people exhiled. Terrorist are using the poverty and disenchantment of the muslim population in europe as a force to weaken the resolve of the European government and if they are not poor, it is already enough that they covertly feed extremism into as many mosque they can reach. Proof of this is in England where after Madrid train bombing, extremist post signs saying "Your Next! (2)" A decendant of Dutch painter was slain because he dared to criticise Islam, and finally there was a tremedous outrage from all over the muslim world threatening to Kill whoever drew Muhammad's face in the Danish news. There were local threats against whoever drew that cartoon (3).

The solution is not another peace treaty where a terrorist can simply launch a rocket and claim "We didn't do it!" Bare in mind that they use ambulances, to carry weapons, use civilians as human shield, use men and women as human bombs, and bomb civilians, even schools - don't believe me? Just ask our Sevicemen fighting and dying for us in Afghanistan and Iraq. The solution is WHAT SIDE DO WE PICK? Now obviously, we can't side with nations that sponcered terrorism now can we? The solution is to side with the one ally, the only democratic nation, who already experienced 9/11s a hundred fold simply because they are in the way - ISRAEL!

Prior to WWII, the Jews have been the first to be the recieving end of Nazi Facism; once they are out of the way, Europe and Russia paid the price. Now that we face Islamic Extremism, sponcered by Muslim nations who do not recognize Israel's right to exist, the Parallel is profound because they are again, the first to be the recieving end of an ever growing global threat.

Sources
(1) History Channel's "Hitler's Lost Plan"
(2) Webshot Pictures of Extremist in London
Cartoon Protests in London pictures from news photos on webshots
(3) Webshot Pictures of protest all over the World (result of key word)
muslim protest pictures and videos on Webshots

Recommended site, movie, and Reading
1. MemriTV.org (non partisan)
2. http://www.honestreporting.com/ (Bias in Media against Israel)
2. a) Fox New Channels' Obsession, Islam's War Against the West
b) Obsession - Radical Islam's War Against the West - Home
3. Philistine: The Great Deception, by Ramon Bennet (religious).

Finally someone here who understands the nature of the fight. Thank you for posting.

Also don't forget that GOD said he will bless those who bless Israel. And curse them who curse Israel. The struggle will not stop if we in the U.S. change our president. Either we defeat the extremists or live as the Taliban were forced to.The only question for americans is who will forcibly pursue these islamists or cowtow like Europe has.I believe that will catastropic for the entire world.

Some people really need to find out what the real world is and not some platitude spewed by a politician.

Great work Ray God Bless You