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Mirasa45A · 07-26-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by teesharky

I like leanne womak too-- her song "20 years and 2 husbands ago was very good."

But it seems to happen that you are only as good as your last hit record. If yourelease a few flops in a row-- you fade away for awhile, like gretchen wilson and leanne womak...sara evans too.

Sara Evans' recent songs are blah and forgettable, but she used to release fun popular songs like Suds in the bucket, etc.

Gretchen was on fire- but due to dud singles off a boring album 3, she faded away. Her new song is pretty good though so hopefully she will release a better album this tiime around.

That is why I personally think it is good to keep pumping out singles, but make sure they are good ones. I don't agree that you need to put out a new album every year though- every 2 years is fine like Carrie has been doing- because kenny and rascal flats, george strait, etc- put out way too many albums in too short a time span, IMO.. You are just getting into one album- when another one comes out.

oddly- they are never called "over-exposed" like the women are. Interesting that the men in country put out albums every year- with singles on the radio at least 10 months of the year, and are never accused of being over-exposed. Also- the men can win the same awards for 20 years (brooks and dunn) or kenny (EOTY, etc)- and no one says they win too much like they do for the ladies. There is a double standard for women I guess.

I do not think that Carrie was or is over exposed. I remember when the great Mohammad Ali was promoted every where, in every corner of the world, even the poorest villages in Africa, Asia, South America, Eastern Europe knew him --and we did not say that Mohammad Ali was over exposed. I know this because I used to travel from one country to another when I was younger

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As far as I know, people who were even close to this fame were Pele (Brazilian Soccer player), Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, and may be David Backham.

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Yes, Carrie Underwood is well known here in the US, but she has not been known around the world yet--therefore, Carrie is not even close to being over exposed. This is just my opinion.

cyberzoney · 07-26-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by teesharky

I like leanne womak too-- her song "20 years and 2 husbands ago was very good."

But it seems to happen that you are only as good as your last hit record. If yourelease a few flops in a row-- you fade away for awhile, like gretchen wilson and leanne womak...sara evans too.

Sara Evans' recent songs are blah and forgettable, but she used to release fun popular songs like Suds in the bucket, etc.

Gretchen was on fire- but due to dud singles off a boring album 3, she faded away. Her new song is pretty good though so hopefully she will release a better album this tiime around.

That is why I personally think it is good to keep pumping out singles, but make sure they are good ones. I don't agree that you need to put out a new album every year though- every 2 years is fine like Carrie has been doing- because kenny and rascal flats, george strait, etc- put out way too many albums in too short a time span, IMO.. You are just getting into one album- when another one comes out.

oddly- they are never called "over-exposed" like the women are. Interesting that the men in country put out albums every year- with singles on the radio at least 10 months of the year, and are never accused of being over-exposed.

Also- the men can win the same awards for 20 years (brooks and dunn) or kenny (EOTY, etc)- and no one says they win too much like they do for the ladies. There is a double standard for women I guess.

I don't think Carrie is overexposed. I think her team should go for as much exposure as possible. It is worse to be dormant and then seen as a falling or fading star. If there is a lull between album 2 and 3, that would really worry me. She needs to keep releasing singles and stay on the charts until album 3 is ready.

However, when comparing the men to the women, there is one big difference as far as exposure is concerned. The women, especially Carrie, are sought out constantly for their fashion and sex appeal. Carrie has been on just about every magazine you can think of. How many men get that kind of exposure. Not too many. At award shows, most of the focus goes into what the women are wearing and their fashion statement. The paparazzi are constantly looking for photo shots that show Carrie in something revealing like a bathing suit or even when she does not look her best. They follow her on vacation and everywhere she goes. They don't do this, in general, for the men. All of this and more adds up to extra exposure for the women.

In general, I think it is all good exposure but for some, who are not strong Carrie fans or even have a real dislike for her, they see it as too much exposure. They want an excuse to put her down. What we need to keep in focus is that they are in the minority and we should not worry about them.

Keep Carrie highly visible is my position especially whenever/wherever she can sing.

Jade_kt · 07-26-2008, 10:00 AM

^^^So they should release the JAD video then....haha

thaifood · 07-26-2008, 01:19 PM

There is one other big diffenrence in the men & women. You never hear of the men deriding the other men in Country, while the women are all over each other, especially Carrie. How can the women garner an even playing field, when they won't even support each other?

robinannhunt · 07-26-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thaifood

There is one other big diffenrence in the men & women. You never hear of the men deriding the other men in Country, while the women are all over each other, especially Carrie. How can the women garner an even playing field, when they won't even support each other?

I wish I knew why the girls don't ban together and fight this patriarchy. Someone said that Carrie might be the ring leader and I hope so.

carries1gurl · 07-26-2008, 04:33 PM

hm thanks for the update

teesharky · 07-26-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thaifood

There is one other big diffenrence in the men & women. You never hear of the men deriding the other men in Country, while the women are all over each other, especially Carrie. How can the women garner an even playing field, when they won't even support each other?

great point- and I agree. I am still waiting for someone other then Loretta Lynn or perhaps Reba to come forward and be nice to Carrie. It seems that every couple months, another female country artist takes yet another dig at carrie. It is very sad.

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Originally Posted by cyberzoney

I don't think Carrie is overexposed. I think her team should go for as much exposure as possible. It is worse to be dormant and then seen as a falling or fading star. If there is a lull between album 2 and 3, that would really worry me. She needs to keep releasing singles and stay on the charts until album 3 is ready.

However, when comparing the men to the women, there is one big difference as far as exposure is concerned. The women, especially Carrie, are sought out constantly for their fashion and sex appeal. Carrie has been on just about every magazine you can think of. How many men get that kind of exposure. Not too many. At award shows, most of the focus goes into what the women are wearing and their fashion statement. The paparazzi are constantly looking for photo shots that show Carrie in something revealing like a bathing suit or even when she does not look her best. They follow her on vacation and everywhere she goes. They don't do this, in general, for the men. All of this and more adds up to extra exposure for the women.

In general, I think it is all good exposure but for some, who are not strong Carrie fans or even have a real dislike for her, they see it as too much exposure. They want an excuse to put her down. What we need to keep in focus is that they are in the minority and we should not worry about them.

Keep Carrie highly visible is my position especially whenever/wherever she can sing.

Thanx....I agree with you that she is not over-exposed-- but it seems that some say that on other boards occasionally- but they are not really carrie fans, so there you go. I personally think the most over-exposed annoying people are britney spears, paris hilton, lindsey lohan, both jessica and ashlee simpson, etc.-- that whole crew...TS is getting there in country music, for sure.
But Carrie is not on the tabloids 1/2 as much as britney, paris, etc- are....so that is a good thing. A little coverage in the tabloids is good to keep your name out there-- but too much- makes people sick of you.

And you are right- men do not get all the fashion, tabloid coverage that women do... nor are they as catty about appearance. I think men could give a rip if, i.e., Garth Brooks gained 5 pounds this month. lol Who cares?? But for women-- it is the end of the world as we know it. lol

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Originally Posted by Mirasa45A

I do not think that Carrie was or is over exposed. I remember when the great Mohammad Ali was promoted every where, in every corner of the world, even the poorest villages in Africa, Asia, South America, Eastern Europe knew him --and we did not say that Mohammad Ali was over exposed. I know this because I used to travel from one country to another when I was younger

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As far as I know, people who were even close to this fame were Pele (Brazilian Soccer player), Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, and may be David Backham.

.

Yes, Carrie Underwood is well known here in the US, but she has not been known around the world yet--therefore, Carrie is not even close to being over exposed. This is just my opinion.

I agree-- I don't think Carrie is over-exposed--- but some of her naysayers think so. I just think it is ironic that they never say that about the men....

teesharky · 07-26-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pgk

Double standard exists in country music? you betcha! Country music is run by a 'patriarchy'... the men rule. Maybe when more of the women stop buying into this system and start standing up for themselves and most importantly start supporting each other, things just might change. Takes one voice to get it started. Could the leader be Carrie?

you never know- because Carrie is strong but non-offensive... so she wouldn't be too militant, in your face about promoting women in country music. Some women can be a little over the top about it and turn everyone off- not just the men, but other women too. lol But Carrie is so nice and sweet-- she could open doors like dolly parton did-- just with a smile.

The Nanook · 07-26-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberzoney

I don't think Carrie is overexposed. I think her team should go for as much exposure as possible. It is worse to be dormant and then seen as a falling or fading star. If there is a lull between album 2 and 3, that would really worry me. She needs to keep releasing singles and stay on the charts until album 3 is ready.

However, when comparing the men to the women, there is one big difference as far as exposure is concerned. The women, especially Carrie, are sought out constantly for their fashion and sex appeal. Carrie has been on just about every magazine you can think of. How many men get that kind of exposure. Not too many. At award shows, most of the focus goes into what the women are wearing and their fashion statement. The paparazzi are constantly looking for photo shots that show Carrie in something revealing like a bathing suit or even when she does not look her best. They follow her on vacation and everywhere she goes. They don't do this, in general, for the men. All of this and more adds up to extra exposure for the women.

In general, I think it is all good exposure but for some, who are not strong Carrie fans or even have a real dislike for her, they see it as too much exposure. They want an excuse to put her down. What we need to keep in focus is that they are in the minority and we should not worry about them.

Keep Carrie highly visible is my position especially whenever/wherever she can sing.

im sure releasing singles 5 and 6 will help with that part.

pklongbeach · 07-27-2008, 08:28 AM

I think Carre has already made some huge steps toward giving women equality in this business.
Because her fame and success came without Nashvilles stamp on it, she showed how influencial a woman can be.
Shania, as well.
Others seem to conform to the restraints of the system. (Faith, the beautiful trophy wife. Sara, the cheated-on. Taylor, the pampered daddys girl.)
But Carries appeal (like Shanias) seems to break the molds. She succeeds as a self-reliant, independant woman, with or without the system.
I whole-heartedly believe the system has altered itself already to include alot more strongly supported woman-acts because of Carrie and Carrie alone.
Of this, we fans can be truely proud. (Even as these women achieve their own levels of success)

teesharky · 07-27-2008, 11:07 AM

^ I agree-- I think Carrie has already helped women in country music alot. Otherwise- all these want-to-be-carrie-clones would not keep coming out of the woodwork, trying to be like carrie. NExt Britney spears will do a country album, God help us.

SJSoule · 07-27-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pklongbeach

I think Carre has already made some huge steps toward giving women equality in this business.
Because her fame and success came without Nashvilles stamp on it, she showed how influencial a woman can be.
Shania, as well.
Others seem to conform to the restraints of the system. (Faith, the beautiful trophy wife. Sara, the cheated-on. Taylor, the pampered daddys girl.)
But Carries appeal (like Shanias) seems to break the molds. She succeeds as a self-reliant, independant woman, with or without the system.
I whole-heartedly believe the system has altered itself already to include alot more strongly supported woman-acts because of Carrie and Carrie alone.
Of this, we fans can be truely proud. (Even as these women achieve their own levels of success)

If you're going to put labels on people, you can't overlook the fact that Carrie has a label of her own, All-American Girl. In other words, the Wholesome Girl Next Door. And that label was there before she came out with the song of the same name. That's why some people came out and criticized her when BHC and LN came out - they weren't typical sweet Carrie stuff, and they assumed she was selling out or changing. But overall, she's still sweet, innocent, wholesome Carrie.

There have been other Wholesome Girls Next Door before, but fame and success usually changes them (remember when Britney claimed to be a virgin?). I'm hoping it doesn't for Carrie. It hasn't after three years, so I think the odds are good.

In regards to saying these other women conform, I don't necessarily agree. Faith Hill has had crossover success, and even put out an entire album that was criticized as "too pop". Yet it was a success anyway. And Taylor - she has redefined the meaning of non-conformity with her constant pop remixes. And she's been successful with it as well. So I guess I don't fully understand the examples you used to illustrate your point. These women aren't cowing down to country rules, they're doing their own thing. Carrie is conforming more than they are, with her steadfast "staying true to country" feelings.

I don't think that Carrie, and Carrie alone, has changed country music for women. Shania, LeAnn, and Faith all started the pop crossover movement. It's partly because of them that BHC was so widely accepted outside of the country format. It's partly because of them that Taylor Swift is getting away with all of those pop remixes. Country music has slowly evolved over time, as more and more artists pushed the boundaries. Not because of Carrie alone. If anyone got the credit alone, it would be Shania. She pretty much broke the mold, as far as I'm concerned.